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    Re: Model 19's on Ebay

    You need to put into perspective compared to new speaker prices. $2600 for the pair is the same cost as two pair of brand new Bose 901's ($1300) and which do you think will sound twice as nice?
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    Re: Model 19's on Ebay

    I listened to the video I might be wrong but it sounds like a bit of cross over fatigue. The mids are to high .

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    Re: Model 19's on Ebay

    Quote Originally Posted by LICORNE View Post
    I listened to the video I might be wrong but it sounds like a bit of cross over fatigue. The mids are to high .
    Personally I think it's straight off the CD and not really playing on the speakers...but that's just my opinion..

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    Re: Model 19's on Ebay

    Quote Originally Posted by cradeldorf View Post
    Personally I think it's straight off the CD and not really playing on the speakers...but that's just my opinion..
    It is a relatively good audio recording compared to most videos of this type so I can see how you might think that. On my speakers here it does sound like a pretty good microphone recording as compared to many other videos of this type. Also, it's mono which makes sense because he says he plugged his microphone (singular) directly into his p.c.--so he's using one microphone to record a stereo source/stereo system. If it was straight off the CD it would almost always be stereo as it sounds like a relatively modern recording. Of course, there's no way to know with absolute certainty how the recording was made....

    Quote Originally Posted by LICORNE View Post
    I listened to the video I might be wrong but it sounds like a bit of cross over fatigue. The mids are to high .
    It has been my experience that whenever you put a microphone in front of a live band (or stereo system etc.) to get an "audience recording" that the resulting (direct, un-equalized) recording is usually kind of "midrangey" sounding for a variety of reasons including the fact that most microphones are not flat from 20-20,000 hz (they generally have somewhat of a rolled off response unless you're talking a VERY expensive microphone and even then due to placement etc. there are still issues with this type of recording setup). Not to mention you're kind of "chasing rainbows" trying to do any kind of critical evaluation of the sound of speakers or their crossovers with this type of video as your computer speakers are a real "bottleneck" (and the microphone is a bottleneck too as it adds it's own character to the recording). Even an ideally mic.d recording with high quality microphones will sound like your computer speakers and also be affected by (have some character from) the microphones used so trying to evaluate crossover fatigue on the speakers in the video by listening to them over your computer speakers is an iffy proposition at best. I still enjoy this kind of recording because it can sometimes, in a very rough/general way, give you some kind of idea of the character of the source speakers if you listen with high quality speakers or a nice pair of headphones plugged into your P.C. but you're still largely hearing the sound of your speakers/headphones and the mic. used. Basically, trying to do any kind of critical evaluation of speakers or their crossovers by listening to them through other speakers (and the mic. that was used) is not a good idea IMHO even though you sometimes feel you can tell something from this type of recording in a very general way....
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    Re: Model 19's on Ebay

    Quote Originally Posted by VolvoHeretic View Post
    You need to put into perspective compared to new speaker prices. $2600 for the pair is the same cost as two pair of brand new Bose 901's ($1300) and which do you think will sound twice as nice?
    Adore that comment. IMHO the only use the 901s would have would be if I wanted the M19s up higher off the floor.

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    Re: Model 19's on Ebay

    Oh, I just saw who the seller is. He is another one that has overpriced listings and wonders why things don't move.

    Watching Altec prices on eBay as closely as I have done for the past 5 years, you get a feel for things. And a list of sellers, good and bad.

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    Re: Model 19's on Ebay

    This video has a better sound tonality.

    DSCF4141 - YouTube

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    Re: Model 19's on Ebay

    I think anyone who thinks audio via Youtube over computer speakers sounds good has spent way too much time listening to MP3 and other forms of low-fi audio.
    The only thing you learn is that the speakes seem to work. And that's it. Even that could be faked!

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    Re: Model 19's on Ebay

    Quote Originally Posted by RonSSS View Post
    I think anyone who thinks audio via Youtube over computer speakers sounds good has spent way too much time listening to MP3 and other forms of low-fi audio.
    The only thing you learn is that the speakes seem to work. And that's it. Even that could be faked!

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    I agree-most computer speakers are at least as much of a bottleneck as the Youtube compressed audio format. Which is why I said in my first post in this thread that it's "Not a great recording, but better audio than most of this type that I've heard". Also when one of our members was trying to critique the crossovers of the speakers being filmed in the Youtube video I said "trying to do any kind of critical evaluation of speakers or their crossovers by listening to them through other speakers (and the mic. that was used) is not a good idea"......

    Also the reason I said in the same post that "you're kind of "chasing rainbows" trying to do any kind of critical evaluation of the sound of speakers or their crossovers with this type of video as your computer speakers are a real "bottleneck" (and the microphone is a bottleneck too as it adds it's own character to the recording). Even an ideally mic.d recording with high quality microphones will sound like your computer speakers and also be affected by (have some character from) the microphones used so trying to evaluate crossover fatigue on the speakers in the video by listening to them over your computer speakers is an iffy proposition at best."
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    Re: Model 19's on Ebay

    I forgot to listen till the end when the vocal kicks in . The speakers are great sounding. I use sennheiser head phones and HP audio card.

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